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@onusozAgentic Engineering is a newly emerging field, and we are the first practitioners of it. Currently there is a lot of experimentation going on, and there is a large aspect to it that is more ART then engineering For example, @steipete says "you need to talk to the model" to get a feel. a lot of work around refining how an agent feels like, sounds like psychology. this part is crucial and should not be ignored, looking at openclaw's success but then there is the hardcore engineering part of it, e.g. Cursor creating a browser or anthropic a C compiler from scratch fully autonomously and there is a whole other dimension of how to teach all software developers this new discipline, lest they be jobless what is obvious is that everybody is trying to grasp for things in the dark and that we need more RIGOR. the art/psychology aspect of it aside, we need solid engineering fundamentals the "thermodynamics" of this new discipline will most likely be formal verification and program synthesis. we might have some breakthroughs that will make certain things clear. the products of it will most likely include a new programming language optimized for agents and the speed of inference moreover, it would be foolish to thing agentic engineering is limited to software. it will penetrate every aspect of the economy, bits AND atoms. it will over time evolve into the engineering of managing robots @simonw is now leading in collecting very useful info from the practitioner's point of view, I highly recommend you to follow this thread let's formalize our new field together!